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  • 75 & Out Rumor

    Oct 16, 2023, 12:00 AM By MOSERS
    Hello. I've been hearing rumor that retirement might be changing from 80 and out to 75 and out. Is this true? If so, where do I find out more information about it? Thanks for your help.

    No, we are not aware of any legislative proposals related to a “75 and out” retirement. MOSERS administers retirement benefits, but we do not have the authority to change plan provisions. Any change to the Rule of 80/”80 & Out” (or any other state employee pension provisions) would require a change in the law. Anytime the Missouri General Assembly is in session, you can follow any bills affecting MOSERS on our Legislation page.

    NORMAL RETIREMENT ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS for General State Employees

    MSEP Members

    • Age 65 + 5 years of service
    • Age 60 + 15 years of service
    • “Rule of 80” – (at least age 48) when age + years of service = 80 or more

     

    MSEP 2000 Members

    • Age 62 + 5 years of service
    • “Rule of 80” – (at least age 48) when age + years of service = 80 or more

     

    MSEP 2011 Members

    • Age 67 + 5 years of service
    • “Rule of 90” – (at least age 55) when age + years of service = 90 or more at time of termination

     

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  • Temporary Benefit and Social Security

    Aug 26, 2022, 3:42 PM By MOSERS
    I've already met the 80 & out rule and will have completed my 4th year of backdrop when I retire next year at age 55.  I'm looking at selecting the MSEP 2000 plan with the temporary social security benefit (until I reach age 62). By receiving these temporary SS funds for approx. 7 years, does it affect how much SS I will receive when I reach age 67 and want to apply for full social security? Thanks!

    No, the Temporary Benefit does not affect your Social Security benefit. The Temporary Benefit is a MOSERS plan provision only that is designed to provide you with a supplemental income until age 62 if you elect normal retirement prior to age 62.

    The funding for it does not come from Social Security and it doesn’t impact your Social Security benefit amount. As a reminder, the Temporary Benefit is available to MSEP 2000 members but not MSEP members, so you must retire under MSEP 2000 to receive it. The Temporary Benefit and any COLAs earned on that amount will stop at age 62 regardless of whether you take early Social Security or not, but your base benefit will continue for life. For more information, contact a MOSERS benefit counselor or review the General Employees’ Retirement Handbook (MSEP & MSEP 2000).

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  • High 36 and the Rule of 80

    Feb 23, 2022, 3:56 PM By MOSERS

     A co-worker told me that any pay I earn after my "Rule of 80" date doesn't count toward by 3 highest years. I am currently in back drop, but wanted to postpone my retirement if the state raises salaries by 5.5%. This co-worker said they talked to a MOSERS benefit counselor and were told anything past the date they can "80 and out" isn't used for the 3 highest years to calculate benefits. I have never gotten that impression in the retirement seminars I've attended. Please help! Thank you

    When you make an application to retire with MOSERS, you will have options regarding how your retirement benefit will be paid. BackDROP is simply another payment option available to you if you have worked at least 2 years beyond eligibility for normal retirement (“Rule of 80” or any other age & service eligibility criteria).   

    If you work beyond when your reach eligibility for normal retirement (under the “Rule of 80” or any other eligibility criteria), your pay can be included in your highest 36 months of pay IF it is not in your BackDROP period.

    Any pay or service you get during your BackDROP period is not counted when calculating your monthly benefit payment. If you become eligible for and elect the BackDROP upon retirement, your highest 36 consecutive months would be determined from your MOSERS-covered work history prior to your BackDROP date.

    But keep in mind, you are not required to take BackDROP, regardless of how long you work beyond normal retirement eligibility, and you don’t have to notify MOSERS of any decisions about BackDROP until you retire.

    Options:

    • You may elect not to take BackDROP, if you want all your service and pay to count and, likely, increase your monthly benefit, or,
    • You could elect to take a shorter BackDROP period, or
    • You could work additional years, if you want to take advantage of a significant increase in pay being included in your Final Average Pay.

    Our BackDROP page, with a BackDROP graphic near the bottom, may help you visualize how it works or you can read the BackDROP brochure for more information. BackDROP can be complicated to understand, so MOSERS benefit counselors are available to help by phone or through an in-person appointment.

    Note: BackDROP is available only to general state employees (including university employees) in MSEP and MSEP 2000. 

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  • Benefit Formula Breakdown

    Dec 16, 2021, 10:16 AM By MOSERS
    I have a new supervisor and she is curious on how to give staff the correct information about how Moser's comes up with retirement amounts to be paid. Could you send me the information on how this is figured out like a step-by-step so she will be able to answer some of the questions she will be getting? Also, would you send me an e-mail of what & when I need to do as far as my retirement? I believe I can retire Nov. 1, 2023.

    This is a great question. Below is a breakdown of the benefit formula.

    If you are a general state employee (including college and university employees), when you apply for retirement, your monthly base benefit* is calculated using a formula, as defined by law, that takes into account the following factors:

    • Final Average Pay (FAP) – The average of your highest 36 consecutive months of compensation
    • Multiplier – The multiplier established by the legislature (1.6% or 0.016 for MSEP; 1.7% or 0.017 for MSEP 2000 and MSEP 2011)
    • Credited Service – Your years and months of credited service earned, purchased, or transferred, and unused sick leave (if applicable)

    * Base benefit is the amount before any reductions, taxes, or other deductions.

    Examples - Using the multiplier for MSEP 2000 or MSEP 2011 retirees:

    $3,000 (FAP)   x   0.017 (Multiplier) 15 years (Credited Service)   =   $765 monthly base benefit

    $3,500 (FAP)   x   0.017 (Multiplier) 17.5 years (Credited Service)   =   $1,041.25 monthly base benefit

    $4,000 (FAP)   x   0.017 (Multiplier) 30 years (Credited Service)   =   $2,040 monthly base benefit

    $_____ (FAP)   x   ____ (Multiplier) x ____ years (Credited Service) = $_______ monthly base benefit

    There is also the Temporary Benefit, which is available if you retire under the "Rule of 80" (MSEP 2000) or the "Rule of 90" (MSEP 2011), and it provides you with an additional benefit until age 62 along with your base benefit. The formula for the Temporary Benefit is: Final Average Pay (FAP) x .008 (Multiplier) x Credited Service. At age 62, it ends but your base benefit continues.

    You can log in to myMOSERS to generate a benefit estimate or contact a MOSERS benefit counselor. 

    Since you are only two years from retirement, we encourage you to attend a Ready to Retire session to learn about the process. Registration is now open for 2022 sessions. Log in to myMOSERS to sign up. You can also contact a MOSERS benefit counselor to make a 1-on-1 appointment. Check out our Ready to Retire page and the Retirement Guide for more information.  

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  • Normal Retirement Eligibility Requirements

    Oct 20, 2021, 2:17 PM By MOSERS
    An employee where I work is 61 and has worked for the state for 12 years.  For whatever reason, they decided to take early retirement November 1.  They are telling everyone they are eligible to retire November 1 with their "80 and out."  How is this possible if their age and years of service only add up to 73?  Wouldn't they be taking a big cut in their retirement benefits by retiring now?

    It is possible this employee may have prior state service or may have purchased or transferred service in order to meet the requirements for “80 and Out” or they may be misstating or misunderstanding the terminology. Also, it is important to remember that, in order to retire, members are not required to have age and service equal 80 (or 90 for MSEP 2011) if they meet another set of age and service requirements first. If you or your co-workers have any additional questions about retirement eligibility, see the requirements and click on the plan information below or contact a MOSERS benefit counselor.  

    NORMAL (UNREDUCED) RETIREMENT ELIGIBILITY  REQUIREMENTS:

    MSEP Members

    • Age 65 + 5 years of service or
    • Age 60 + 15 years of service or
    • “Rule of 80” – (at least age 48) when age + years of service = 80 or more

     

    MSEP 2000 Members

    • Age 62 + 5 years of service or
    • “Rule of 80” – (at least age 48) when age + years of service = 80 or more

     

    MSEP 2011 Members

    • Age 67 + 5 years of service or
    • “Rule of 90” – (at least age 55) when age + years of service = 90 or more at time of termination

     

    EARLY (REDUCED) RETIREMENT ELIGIBILITY  REQUIREMENTS:

    If you elect early retirement, your base benefit will be reduced by one-half of one percent (0.005) for each month your age at early retirement is younger than your normal retirement age.

    MSEP: Age 55 with 10 years of service

    MSEP 2000: Age 57 with 5 years of service

    MSEP 2011: Age 62 with 5 years of service

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  • Returning to state employment under the same plan

    Jul 7, 2021, 10:47 AM By MOSERS

    Confidentially, please provide the outcome for these scenarios:
    An employee started in 2002, MSEP 2000, left in 2021, returned in 2023.  Would they be able to return to the MSEP 2000 plan or would they have to go to the MSEP 2011 plan?  80 and out or 90 and out? 0 or 4% withheld?

    Previously, under MSEP 2000, 80 and out, retire at 52 with 28 years of service. But let's say they don't return to state work, they have 19 years of service, when is there new normal retirement date, born 1977, 62?

    In the scenario you describe, the answer is yes, a vested member of MSEP 2000 who leaves state employment and returns to state employment will still be in MSEP 2000. Their prior service would immediately be reinstated upon reemployment. They would be eligible for normal retirement under the Rule of 80/”80 and Out” or age 62, whichever came first. As a member of MSEP 2000, they would not be required to make the 4% employee contributions.  

    In the scenario you describe, if the employee did not return to work, they would be considered an inactive vested member of MSEP 2000 and would become eligible for normal retirement at age 62.

    Note: If an inactive vested member of MSEP or MSEP 2000 elected a buyout in 2017 or 2018 then returned to state employment, they would be a member of MSEP 2011, would be required to make the 4% employee contributions and would have to meet the retirement eligibility for MSEP 2011.

    We encourage members to contact a MOSERS benefit counselor to discuss their individual situation and learn how various scenarios would impact their benefits. 

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  • MSEP 2011 & The Rule of 90

    Feb 24, 2021, 8:50 AM By MOSERS
    I heard that all state employees under the 2011 are being moved to an 80 and out model. Is that true?

    We are unaware of any legislative proposals related to changing MSEP 2011 normal retirement eligibility from “90 and out” to “80 and out”. Members of MSEP 2011 reach normal retirement eligibility when they have at least 5 years of service and are age 67 OR under the “Rule of 90”. Under the “Rule of 90”, they must be at least age 55 and their age plus years of service must equal 90 or more at the time of termination of employment. For example, if someone leaves employment at age 60 and has 30 years of service, they would meet the Rule of 90.

    NORMAL RETIREMENT ELIGIBILITY  REQUIREMENTS:

    MSEP Members

    • Age 65 + 5 years of service or
    • Age 60 + 15 years of service or
    • “Rule of 80” – (at least age 48) when age + years of service = 80 or more

    MSEP 2000 Members

    • Age 62 + 5 years of service or
    • “Rule of 80” – (at least age 48) when age + years of service = 80 or more at time of termination. 

    MSEP 2011 Members

    • Age 67 + 5 years of service or
    • “Rule of 90” – (at least age 55) when age + years of service = 90 or more at time of termination

    Not sure if you are in MSEP, MSEP 2000, or MSEP 2011? See What’s My Plan? with information about plan membership, retirement eligibility requirements, and other plan provisions.

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  • Rule of 90

    Feb 10, 2021, 9:21 AM By MOSERS
    I have had several other state employees tell me the state did away with "90 and out" and have gone back to "80 and out". When I was hired I am under the 90 and out because of my start date. Can you confirm or deny?

    We are unaware of any legislative proposals related to changing MSEP 2011 normal retirement eligibility from “90 and out” to “80 and out”. Members of MSEP 2011 reach normal retirement eligibility when they have at least 5 years of service and are age 67 OR under the “Rule of 90”. Under the “Rule of 90”, they must be at least age 55 and their age plus years of service must equal 90 or more at the time of termination of employment. For example, if someone leaves employment at age 60 and has 30 years of service, they would meet the Rule of 90.

    RETIREMENT ELIGIBILITY  REQUIREMENTS:

    MSEP Members

    • Age 65 + 5 years of service or
    • Age 60 + 15 years of service or
    • “Rule of 80” – (at least age 48) when age + years of service = 80 or more

    MSEP 2000 Members

    • Age 62 + 5 years of service or
    • “Rule of 80” – (at least age 48) when age + years of service = 80 or more at time of termination. 

    MSEP 2011 Members

    • Age 67 + 5 years of service or
    • “Rule of 90” – (at least age 55) when age + years of service = 90 or more at time of termination

    Not sure if you are in MSEP, MSEP 2000, or MSEP 2011? See What’s My Plan? with information about plan membership, retirement eligibility requirements, and other plan provisions.

     

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  • 70 & Out Rumor

    Jan 21, 2021, 4:42 PM By MOSERS
    I continue to hear rumors about a proposal for "70 and out" retirement.  Is there any validity to this?  And how would it affect someone who was separated from employment but had not yet filed for retirement?  Thank you.

    No, we are not aware of any legislative proposals related to a “70 and out” retirement. MOSERS administers retirement benefits but we do not have the authority to change plan provisions. Any change to the Rule of 80/”80 & Out” (or any other state employee pension provisions) would require a change in the law. Anytime the Missouri General Assembly is in session, you can follow any bills affecting MOSERS on our Legislation page.

    RETIREMENT ELIGIBILITY  REQUIREMENTS

    MSEP Members

    • Age 65 + 5 years of service
    • Age 60 + 15 years of service
    • “Rule of 80” – (at least age 48) when age + years of service = 80 or more

    MSEP 2000 Members

    • Age 62 + 5 years of service
    • “Rule of 80” – (at least age 48) when age + years of service = 80 or more

    MSEP 2011 Members

    • Age 67 + 5 years of service
    • “Rule of 90” – (at least age 55) when age + years of service = 90 or more at time of termination
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